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    Hey Luke:

    Thanks for your thought provoking, passionate, and mouth watering post!

    (http://therawfoodsite.com/forum/show...e=19I#post9768)

    I was quite concerned about issues of nutrition while doing my first (and subsequent "serial" MC 2 & 3) ....and since then too, and posted like a maniac about it (in posts that are not easily accessible since our bb migrated). I think we live in a challenging time and place-- having to deal with the problem-- of too much food, living in a land of plenty (while many starve)-- while ironically, the food is often nutrient depleted! It sounds like you and your (growing) family-- are figuring out a whole lot about how to eat healthfully-- in these challenging times-- and I certainly hope you stay on board and tell us all about it!

    Western (allopathic) medicine and standard nutritional doctrine-- are quite wary of fasting--and many such people hold that even a day without food can be quite dangerous. All this is alarming- and I read quite a bit of it during my first and subsequent MCs. On the other hand-- traditional cultures have incoroporated fasting as a way of life-- and our ancestors endured long bouts of famine, so that in many ways we are much hardier than we suppose. At the time that I was struggling with these notions-- Res also pointed out-that scary as it is to go without nutrition-- it is still only a small fraction of the year. Now since I did a total of 52+33 on my first 3 MCs within the last half year-- it is actually a SIGNIFICANT fraction of time (almost half!) but then-- when you consider again-- that traditional societies-- including my own (Greek) include fasting-- on a regular basis throughout the week, month and year-- it is not as crazy as it may seem-- particularly considering the excess-- which we may be prone too!

    Now-- again-- conventional (allopathic) wisdom suggests that we need protein-- and other nutrients DAILY-- but then-- it maybe possible-- that the body-- has a mechanism for recovering nutrients-- when cells are "scavenged" during fasting. The body is a remarkable thing-- and, having done long term MCs--I was stunned and amazed to find-- how LITTLE we can subsist on-- and feel remarkably well (almost better) than when eating. My parents-- are WWII survivors-- and have reported (along with others) that during periods of famine-- many people got BETTER-- from a series of maladies. It is truly an amazing thing-- that food deprivation especially when thoughtful and deliberate-- as opposed to immorally and inappropriately imposed-- such as when the Nazis starved the Jews, in WWII.... can be amazingly healing.

    I think we all have to think carefully on it. Even western medicine says that extreme caloric deprivation-- leads to amazing longevity in laboratory animals. I'm not trying to advocate such extreme (anorexic) behaviour-- which can in fact have severe consequences-- but I think the Cleanse can help us all to reconsider--exactly how much food DO WE REALLY NEED?

    Best of luck to you on your and your family's journey to optimal health! Please keep us posted! Thanks,

    sophie
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    Sophie,

    I think it's amazing that you were able to do such long cleanses. How did you manage? I'm on day 8 of my very first one and I am dreaming of vegetable soup! I wouldn't say I'm having cravings but I think about food a great deal. I would really like to go longer than 10 days but I have a whopping headache for the first time today and I think I may be running out of steam!

    Edie

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    Hello All,

    I did it!! 21 days! I have to say that I'm feeling great and very accomplished. I found willpower and discipline that I never knew I had in me.

    The first day off the cleanse was yesterday (Sunday) and I had fresh squeezed organic orange juice for breakfast. Went down fine. Then had another for lunch...good. Then went shopping at Whole Foods for the week ahead, and they had watermelon samples...tried a bite, SO GOOD! That night I had a very small bowl of sliced watermelon for dinner. It went down great and had no problem at all. I also remembered to take my probiotic that night as well as this morning.

    Today I'm having a lemonade (lighter on the cayenne than before), then I have 32oz of orange juice for later, and I also brought more of the watermelon to have if I feel hungry. Don't forget water too.

    I was feeling a bit more tired than usual this morning, but that's okay. I will exercise again tonight as well. I know that if I keep moving my body and watch my food intake, the weight will stay away (I hope!)

    Can't wait to have that avocado or the roasted almonds! So looking forward to whole, solid foods. I figure by Friday night I should be able to do a salad, save the nuts, but I guess it will all depend on how my body reacts with the food this week.

    Thank you all again for being so amazingly supportive. If it weren't for you, I don't know how I would have made it through those 21 days. <insert Lissa saying: I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!> You are all wonderful people who have the strength that I aspire to have, but I know that I'm on the road towards that since finishing this cleanse. I also want to thank you all for your wonderful recipes. I can't wait to try them out! Especially the green smoothies.

    With love and hugs,

    Lissa

    P.S. I'll be checking in quite a bit, so I'm not going anywhere! Good luck to you all with this new and wonderful lifestyle!
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    Hey all, on day 7 but had an after cleanse question.

    Did anyone start BM's upon drinking OJ alone, or was it only after you introduced solids that you experienced it starting again?

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    Lissa: YAY!!! I knew you could do it! I'm so excited for you. Now you can encourage other newbies with your journey past. *hug*

    Now's the time to plan on how you're going to eat. Go slow and come back often to catch us up on how you're doing.

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    Citrus:
    I can't remember back that far. I don't uh, technically break the cleanse the Burroughs way any longer. The OJ is too much sugar for me. Hopefully someone else can chime in.
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    I can't remember back that far. I don't uh, technically break the cleanse the Burroughs way any longer. The OJ is too much sugar for me. Hopefully someone else can chime in. [/QUOTE]


    Hi Res,
    I'm still just on day 4 of the cleanse but I'm trying to plan the best way to break the cleanse, I'll only be completing 7 days, anyway I saw this post and was wondering if you could share your way of breaking the cleanse. I'm not sure I'll do well with the oj only because it can be to acidic for me. Also, this may be silly question, but how do you make the vegetable broth/soup ??

    I see your posts a lot on these boards and just want to say you are great for being here!!! Thanks for all of your help.
    Brenda

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    Hi Brenda,

    After much hunting I can't find the soup recipe I use. If you have Burroughs Book it's in the back. If you don't - just put a variety of your favorite veggies in a pot and cover in spring water. Add spices, salt, pepper and boil until they're tender.

    I'll PM you on what I do to break the cleanse.

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    Hi Res,

    I would also be interested in learning what you do to break the cleanse. I can't handle OJ either and I was wondering what I was going to do once it came time to break the fast!! I have read some people use grapefruit juice instead of OJ. I am just finishing day 9 and I am planning on going until day 14.

    Thanks so much for your advice and input, you are a true gem on this board!!

    Take care,

    Katie

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyRain
    Sophie,

    I think it's amazing that you were able to do such long cleanses. How did you manage? I'm on day 8 of my very first one and I am dreaming of vegetable soup! I wouldn't say I'm having cravings but I think about food a great deal. I would really like to go longer than 10 days but I have a whopping headache for the first time today and I think I may be running out of steam!

    Edie
    Hi Edie & a shoutout to EVERYONE here:
    I think day 8 is one of the days-- that our admin ,Peter, particularly warns about! So congratulations for making it to day 8!!! Also-- headaches especially-- are DETOX symptoms. Part of what it takes getting used to on the cleanse-- is being able to identify detox symptoms and realize they are temporary and usually go away with "the next day's eliminations" as he often says. So how are you doing today? I'm hoping better. There are interesting posts having to do with the "detox stages"-- for example see the one by peanutterb, and the followup by Peter:

    http://therawfoodsite.com/forum/show...t=detox+stages

    ie-- the payoff is that there are long stretches during a long cleanse when:
    "The body is completely adapted to the fasting process. There is more energy and clarity of mind. Cleansing periods can be short with many days of feeling good in between."

    Best of luck!
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    Hello All -

    Way to go Lissa! I was thinking about you this weekend. Isn't watermelon devine! I've eaten about 2 whole this weekend. It was the only thing I felt safe eating.

    I was at 3 picnics this weekend. I did well at all 3. On the last one I did have a small piece of birthday cake without frosting and a chocolate chip cookie. I've managed to lose 2.5 more pounds. I was able to fit into a pair of my friend's shorts. She's always been smaller than me... and they fit great... and they were tight on her.

    Yesterday I had a sprinkle of dairy (some feta in my salad) and I noticed I got a little bloated. For the most part I did ok yesterday. I ate almost all raw (I had a pita with my salad), fruits and nuts. (Is there a limit on how many nuts I should eat and still see good results on the scale?)

    This morning I stepped on the scale and gained 1 lb. I know that I will gain weight as I begin eating more solids but it was still disappointing. I'm scared that it'll just keep going up. I've bumped up the amount I've been working out. I've gone bike riding with my son on the back (good workout on hills). I don't know, I'm still bumbed about the gain... it's only a pound... why am I bumming so much?

    Anyway, keep it up all. Stay with your commitment to good health. And again Lissa... You go girl!
    And HAPPY 4TH EVERYONE!

    Elisa
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