Protein, soy protein, and building muscle

[sd4735]

Good day to everyone.

I just finished my cleanse. Great feeling!
My question is about protein. What are the best sources for protein? Are protein shakes OK? I just saw some product in the health food store called soy protein shake mix? I lift weights as much as I can, so maintaining and building muscle is important to me. Any good information would be appreciated.

[Jason]

You may want to avoid soy protein, especially if you are a guy. A good whey powder is better, such as the ever popular Designer Whey. I too am a weight lifter and wasn't getting enough protein for my lifestyle from the limited diet of fresh fruit, fresh veggies and nuts I eat.

Whey protein has many factions that improve the immune system. Human breast milk has high concentrations of whey in it. Both the Colostrum and Whey in breast milk help new borns immune systems a great deal. Whey allergies are rare, it is the pasteurized casein (another milk protein) and pasteurized lactose (the primary milk sugar) that give people probs. The vast majority of people with lactose intolerance and milk allergies would find their troubles dissapear if they were to drink non pasteurized milk. Commercial milk also contains a certain amount of blood and puss too I might add, not to mention growth hormone and anti biotic residues, and since milk can be mucus forming, I stay away from it except for some Kefir once in a blue moon.

Whey protein has the best amino acid profile of any food as well , making it great for weight lifters. I stay away from all dairy and animal products for health reasons, but whey is the exception as it doesn't function like an animal product. Instead of being a strain on the body and immune system like other animal products it does the opposite.

Whey is both good and bad for the same reason however : It is digested / absorbed fast. This means your amino acid levels will spike high but lower quickly after a couple hours. This makes it an ideal supplement for post workout. Post workout use it in a shake without any fats so it gets in your body fast. In between workouts its good in shakes if you add Â*fat to it so that it is absorbed slower and your nitrogen levels don't deplete quickly.

One of my favorite on the go quick breakfasts in a blender is :

8 oz. nut milk ( brazil nut milk is my fav. )
1 frozen banana
1 cup frozen strawberries or blueberries
1 tablespoon flax oil or 1 tablespoon Hemp seeds.
1 scoop whey powder

(optional : add 1 teaspoon of "sole" a.k.a. brine as well.
more info about sole at : http://www.himalayansalt.com/brine-solution.php )


My other favorite protein supplements can be found at :
http://www.rawfood.com/cgi-bin/order...017&m=home

Here is an interesting read about the dangers of soy:
http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/26/soy_myths.htm

[sd4735]

Jason,

Thank you, sir, for a very informative post. I plan on checking out the websites you recommended. I have used whey on occasion, and I have had good results with it.

Again, thanks for the thoughtful and well written response.

SD

[zoebutt]

You may want to avoid soy protein, especially if you are a guy. A good whey powder is better, such as the ever popular Designer Whey. I too am a weight lifter and wasn't getting enough protein for my lifestyle from the limited diet of fresh fruit, fresh veggies and nuts I eat.

Whey protein has many factions that improve the immune system. Human breast milk has high concentrations of whey in it. Both the Colostrum and Whey in breast milk help new borns immune systems a great deal. Whey allergies are rare, it is the pasteurized casein (another milk protein) and pasteurized lactose (the primary milk sugar) that give people probs. The vast majority of people with lactose intolerance and milk allergies would find their troubles dissapear if they were to drink non pasteurized milk. Commercial milk also contains a certain amount of blood and puss too I might add, not to mention growth hormone and anti biotic residues, and since milk can be mucus forming, I stay away from it except for some Kefir once in a blue moon.

Whey protein has the best amino acid profile of any food as well , making it great for weight lifters. I stay away from all dairy and animal products for health reasons, but whey is the exception as it doesn't function like an animal product. Instead of being a strain on the body and immune system like other animal products it does the opposite.

Whey is both good and bad for the same reason however : It is digested / absorbed fast. This means your amino acid levels will spike high but lower quickly after a couple hours. This makes it an ideal supplement for post workout. Post workout use it in a shake without any fats so it gets in your body fast. In between workouts its good in shakes if you add Â*fat to it so that it is absorbed slower and your nitrogen levels don't deplete quickly.

One of my favorite on the go quick breakfasts in a blender is :

8 oz. nut milk ( brazil nut milk is my fav. )
1 frozen banana
1 cup frozen strawberries or blueberries
1 tablespoon flax oil or 1 tablespoon Hemp seeds.
1 scoop whey powder

(optional : add 1 teaspoon of "sole" a.k.a. brine as well.
more info about sole at : http://www.himalayansalt.com/brine-solution.php )


My other favorite protein supplements can be found at :
http://www.rawfood.com/cgi-bin/order...017&m=home

Here is an interesting read about the dangers of soy:
http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/26/soy_myths.htm

I've been using whey protein for several years as a supplement. It is wonderful in smoothies and drinks since it readily dissolves without a chalky aftertaste. I also toss into things my kids eat like pancakes, cookies and even pasta sauce.

Jason I get a sense you have a solid workout eating program in place. I'm looking for something not quite raw food or macrobiotic, and not back on The Zone. What can you share about your eating?

Thx,

R

[Guest]

Hello!
Just wanted to mention a very good whey and egg protein powder that is free of any artificial sweeteners or very unnecessary fillers is from Jay Robb. His web site features a variety of his protein powders and they are tasty and probably the best quality that I have found. They are sweetened with stevia instead of sucralose, aspartame, or sugar and he has several other great products as well. His fat burning book is a good one and also highlights the importance of good probiotics and digestion. The site is www.jayrobb.com.

I share Jason's oppinion on using a quality whey protein, and highly support his comments on the problems with pastureized dairy products. Consuming raw dairy is so much better for a person because of all the beneficial bacteria it has so it is worthwhile to seek out a organic farmer willing to sell it to you or a store that can legally sell unpastureized, or raw cheese and dairy.

I like to eat tons of veggies but also work out and still need to supplement with whey or egg protein shakes. I try and consume all the rest of my diet from organic sources. I have done one master cleanse so far and had good results but need to do another one soon. I really fell off the wagon over the holidays and have attempted to start another cleanse three times now with little success due to cheating. I will hopefully find the right time soon to complete another one. The books are helpful and I don't feel anyone should do the MC without first reading them. People need to understand why they are doing this before they commit themselves. Good Luck!!!!!!!!!!
Lolly

[zoebutt]

I use a whey from COSTCO, either in vanilla or chocolate that is free of just about everything. However, it does use Splenda for sweetening, but I'm not too concerned about that.

I add a scoup to just about anything I'm baking or cooking, my kids don't even know.

Z

[Jason]

"Jason I get a sense you have a solid workout eating program in place. I'm looking for something not quite raw food or macrobiotic, and not back on The Zone. What can you share about your eating? "

Let's see. Myself I am convinced that the raw food lifestyle is the healthies way to go. This entails pretty much only eating a diet of fresh fruits, fresh veggies, various sprouts, seeds and nuts. As far as sweeteners go I usually use stevia or agave nectar, but use maple syrup from time to time (and of course while on the MC).

I use a few supplements such as flax, hemp seeds, and whey along with a good whole foods based multi such as this one :
http://www.rawfood.com/cgi-bin/order...tamins&tc=

For beverages I usually just drink a good artesian or spring water or coconut water throughout the day and some wheatgrass juice once per day. Coconut water is great ! Low calories, healthy for the whole body with more electrolytes than gatorade. Check out this link for more cocowater info:
http://www.cocowater.com/



There are a few reasons why this is the healthiest route. Not only do you avoid losing the vitamins and phyto type nutrients that you would lose in cooking, but you preserve the enzymes as well, which are killed when heated above around 115 degrees or so. Enzymes make it easier on your body to digest food.

When you consume cooked food, especially meat, your digestive track is flooded with white blood cells as if a foreign invader had arrived. When your body is busy digesting cooked food, it can't do other tasks such as healing, killing cancer cells, etc. very well until the task at hand is done. If you eat 3 meals per day and it takes around 4 hours to digest each one, thats 12 hours out of 24 that your body is stuck with using a large amount of its resources for digestion alone.This is one reason the Master Cleanse is so good. Â*On the MC your body spends nearly zero time on digestion and can focus all its time on healing and repair and combating disease,infection, etc.

The raw food way may seem boring or limited, but it makes you feel so much better, and with the right recipe books it can actually be exciting and fun. I have zillions of raw food recipe books, my favorite being "Raw Food Real World". Here is a link to it :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006...Fencoding=UTF8

I know you said you didn't want to go completely raw, and while the raw way is in my opinion the healthiest way to go, you can still stay healthy and eat cooked food if done properly. Foods such as brown rice, black beans, salmon (the least contanimated fish usually) , steamed veggies and such can be a healthy way to go. Here is a handy link to which foods are the healthiest, though a few foods on the list such as pasteurized milk I would stay away from (raw, unpasteurized is much better for you) :

http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php

Any change is better than none however. If you normally eat a Big Mac, fry and a shake if you replace the shake or fry with an apple that's still better than nothing.

If you are looking to get ripped but not lose muscle one of the best things to do believe it or not is eat MORE ! More frequently specifically. If you normally consume 3 meals of 800 calories each per day and change that to 6 meals of 400 calories even though your total calories remain the same for the day, your metabolism will become super charged.

After you have obtained your weight goal it is possible that it would be healthier to go back to the 2 or 3 meals per day that you previously ate. The reason for this is many people feel a slower metabolism is better for life extension than a fast one where you are buring the candle at both ends. There is no 100% proof of this however and you must make up your own mind.

I will post a few quick tips concerning working out in a few minutes on a seperate post. Good luck to ya!-Jason

[Jason]

BLAH! I just spend quite a bit of time posting weight training info and then my browser crashed. Will repost it tomorrow. Later! - Jason

[shaleen_74]

WOW!!!
THis is exactly the information I was looking for!!!

Thanks for all of the great information

Marie

[azlynnxiola]

You may want to avoid soy protein, especially if you are a guy. A good whey powder is better, such as the ever popular Designer Whey. I too am a weight lifter and wasn't getting enough protein for my lifestyle from the limited diet of fresh fruit, fresh veggies and nuts I eat.

Whey protein has many factions that improve the immune system. Human breast milk has high concentrations of whey in it. Both the Colostrum and Whey in breast milk help new borns immune systems a great deal. Whey allergies are rare, it is the pasteurized casein (another milk protein) and pasteurized lactose (the primary milk sugar) that give people probs. The vast majority of people with lactose intolerance and milk allergies would find their troubles dissapear if they were to drink non pasteurized milk. Commercial milk also contains a certain amount of blood and puss too I might add, not to mention growth hormone and anti biotic residues, and since milk can be mucus forming, I stay away from it except for some Kefir once in a blue moon.

Whey protein has the best amino acid profile of any food as well , making it great for weight lifters. I stay away from all dairy and animal products for health reasons, but whey is the exception as it doesn't function like an animal product. Instead of being a strain on the body and immune system like other animal products it does the opposite.

Whey is both good and bad for the same reason however : It is digested / absorbed fast. This means your amino acid levels will spike high but lower quickly after a couple hours. This makes it an ideal supplement for post workout. Post workout use it in a shake without any fats so it gets in your body fast. In between workouts its good in shakes if you add *fat to it so that it is absorbed slower and your nitrogen levels don't deplete quickly.

One of my favorite on the go quick breakfasts in a blender is :

8 oz. nut milk ( brazil nut milk is my fav. )
1 frozen banana
1 cup frozen strawberries or blueberries
1 tablespoon flax oil or 1 tablespoon Hemp seeds.
1 scoop whey powder

(optional : add 1 teaspoon of "sole" a.k.a. brine as well.
more info about sole at : http://www.himalayansalt.com/brine-solution.php )


My other favorite protein supplements can be found at :
http://www.rawfood.com/cgi-bin/order...017&m=home

Here is an interesting read about the dangers of soy:
http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/26/soy_myths.htm

Jason,

I just read your post on protein in regards to lifting weights and I have a couple questions. I am now on day 2 and previous to that I was lifting 3-4 times a week and eating and using Metrx and other protein suppliments after my work outs. I also eat a healthy SAD, I am not vegitarian, raw eating or vegan.

My concern is that when I complete 10 days and do the 3 -4 days after of veggies, oj, etc when am I able to go back to my regular lifting routine, protein shakes, and my regular diet?

Thanks